[entropian_v2]

fuzzykumquat wrote: Ok, well lets go beyond the interviews. It just feels like the Obama one too is set up to make him look good. (although he still doesn't to me, he's just soaking up the glory of it all) Let's look at the facts that came out of his own mouth without the help of anyone else. On abortion he said: Undecided on whether life begins at conception. (Apr 2008) THEN: Trust women to make own decisions on partial-birth abortion. (Apr 2007) Well if you "may" believe life begins at conception, why would it be okay with you if a mother decides to kill her unborn child? Opposes gay marriage; supports civil union & gay equality. Yet Opposes CA Prop. 8, one-man-one-woman marriage. (Jul 2008) Hold on.. Did he say he opposes it to some extent, but supports it? WHAT? Voted YES on building a fence along the Mexican border. (Sep 2006) Yet Support granting driver's licenses to illegal immigrants. (Nov 2007) SO.. You want to give them driver's licenses if they happen to get over that fence you built? I could go on... Please tell me if you'd like me to.

Regarding abortion, that's not a strange position to hold. He is saying that given the current state of science and understanding and the fact that there is no 'objective truth' regarding when life begins, that it is each woman's choice (and consequently that if it IS wrong in the eyes of god or whomever, that they will pay the price themselves as it was their decision.) That's like an agnostic saying that he's unsure of God but supports both atheists and Christians rights to believe what they will.

Here is his reasoning regarding the gay marriage thing:

"Obama expressed opposition to the amendment, on the ballot as Proposition 8, because "as we have seen in some states, enshrining a definition of marriage into the constitution can allow states to roll back the civil rights and benefits that are provided in domestic partnerships and civil unions," campaign spokesman Ben LaBolt told The Times. "

Here is his reply to the immigrant issue - he's focused on attacking the root of the problem, and not merely covering up the 'symptoms':

"Asked about the Republican criticism which is already being directed at him, Obama said, "Well, I'm sure that the Republicans will try to make immigration an issue because they've been talking about it in political terms instead of trying to solve the problem. But I've been very clear working with John McCain and Ted Kennedy and others that we have to have a comprehensive reform package and if we are doing what we need to do to control the borders, if we are doing what we need to do in cracking down on employers who are hiring undocumented workers and undermining U.S. Workers then we shouldn't have a problem with driver's licenses because we will have legal workers here in this country as opposed to illegal ones.""

[catwalkv2]

fuzzykumquat wrote: Ok, well lets go beyond the interviews. It just feels like the Obama one too is set up to make him look good. (although he still doesn't to me, he's just soaking up the glory of it all) Let's look at the facts that came out of his own mouth without the help of anyone else. On abortion he said: Undecided on whether life begins at conception. (Apr 2008) THEN: Trust women to make own decisions on partial-birth abortion. (Apr 2007) Well if you "may" believe life begins at conception, why would it be okay with you if a mother decides to kill her unborn child? I believe "life" begins LONG before conception, and am still pro-choice. The two do not conflict each other. He's a religious man who is personally pro-life and politically pro-choice. Opposes gay marriage; supports civil union & gay equality. Yet Opposes CA Prop. 8, one-man-one-woman marriage. (Jul 2008) Hold on.. Did he say he opposes it to some extent, but supports it? WHAT? Again, personal religious beliefs, yet disagrees that his morality and religious beliefs should dictate what other's do with their lives. I see no conflict here. Joe Biden is a Catholic, and personally against abortion, but pro-choice. Same with gay marraige. I see nothing wrong with that. Voted YES on building a fence along the Mexican border. (Sep 2006) Yet Support granting driver's licenses to illegal immigrants. (Nov 2007) SO.. You want to give them driver's licenses if they happen to get over that fence you built? Wow, he wants to give rights to people living in this country, he's such a bad guy. What do you want from him? Do you want him tighten up on immigration? He's doing that, but that doesn't mean he wants to make the people here suffer because they're illegal. I'd also like to see the text of that bill, so I can be sure that's what the bill was created to do, or if it was a loophole in a bill that NEEDED to be passed. I could go on... Please tell me if you'd like me to.

I could also go on.

[crisis_identity]

fuzzykumquat wrote: Ok, well lets go beyond the interviews. It just feels like the Obama one too is set up to make him look good. (although he still doesn't to me, he's just soaking up the glory of it all) Let's look at the facts that came out of his own mouth without the help of anyone else. On abortion he said: Undecided on whether life begins at conception. (Apr 2008) THEN: Trust women to make own decisions on partial-birth abortion. (Apr 2007) Well if you "may" believe life begins at conception, why would it be okay with you if a mother decides to kill her unborn child? Opposes gay marriage; supports civil union & gay equality. Yet Opposes CA Prop. 8, one-man-one-woman marriage. (Jul 2008) Hold on.. Did he say he opposes it to some extent, but supports it? WHAT? Voted YES on building a fence along the Mexican border. (Sep 2006) Yet Support granting driver's licenses to illegal immigrants. (Nov 2007) SO.. You want to give them driver's licenses if they happen to get over that fence you built? I could go on... Please tell me if you'd like me to.

I don't see him changing his opinion.

[catwalkv2]

High five, entropian!!

[dimebaghailey]

McCain doesnt plan to end the war. Therfor he is anouther player of the merchantillism scheme.

[toxiceyes]

entropian_v2 wrote: And this interview is all the evidence that is needed to prove the title of this thread: YouTube - Sarah Palin ABC Interview with Charlie Gibson (Part 1 of 3)

Barack obama isent ready to be president.

[pristinepanda]

There is a bill that's trying to be passed to guarantee that women get paid the same as men, mccain is against it. How can someone be against something like that?

[catwalkv2]

toxiceyes wrote: Barack obama isent ready to be president.

How? Barack has 11 years of experience in Government including being governor and senator for 2 years.

How can republicans be saying he's not ready he's not ready, and then pick someone even LESS experienced he is to be a blink away from presidency? How hypocritical is that?

What makes McCain so much MORE ready for it? Neither one of them have been in the white house, there's really nothing comparable.

[crisis_identity]

toxiceyes wrote: Barack obama isent ready to be president.

At least he doesn't openly speak about war with Russia.
That proves Sarah Palin is unintelligent, careless, violent, and does not understand global politics.

[crisis_identity]

pristinepanda wrote: There is a bill that's trying to be passed to guarantee that women get paid the same as men, mccain is against it. How can someone be against something like that?

Because McCain is sexist. Dick Cheney voted against it too.