[b0udicca]

My boyfriend moved here from Israel when he was 7 or so, is a grad student in political science, started/runs a non-profit foundation for gifted children, has done peacekeeping missions all over the world for the US, is incredibly well spoken in English (not to mention a large number of other languages), knows US history and the US political system better than the large portion of people that I know, and he still can't get his US citizenship after waiting for years.

It baffles me how some people think it would be reasonable to expect some random uneducated, unskilled Mexican to get US citizenship.

[younginstasy]

b0udicca wrote: My boyfriend moved here from Israel when he was 7 or so, is a grad student in political science, started/runs a non-profit foundation for gifted children, has done peacekeeping missions all over the world for the US, is incredibly well spoken in English (not to mention a large number of other languages), knows US history and the US political system better than the large portion of people that I know, and he still can't get his US citizenship after waiting for years. It baffles me how some people think it would be reasonable to expect some random uneducated, unskilled Mexican to get US citizenship.

Holy crap, really?
You would think that Americans would be dying to have a person like this as a citizen.

[theretard13]

la_senorita_azul wrote: I think that until the system is made at least sensible we have no right to kick anyone out that isn't harmful or dangerous. I think that all that should be required to come into America is a lengthy background check and a medical screening, as well as vaccinations. But I don't see why it should take so long to become a citizen, or even get a Visa. I also don't think that people applying for citizenship should be forced to learn English. I think that if they don't want to learn, they shouldn't have to, but they should have to face being turned away from job opportunities that require them to learn English. If they want a low-paying job for the time being because they don't have the time or money to learn English, let them. Odds are that they'd learn English eventually.

for the most part I agree but learning english is really important if you live in a country that speaks english

[germanyfgewinn]

younginstasy wrote: Do you know how long that process takes? Do you know how much it costs? Unless you have immigrated from another country, I doubt you will EVER understand how hard it is to get over here. There needs to be immigration reform, so not just the wealthy people can come over to the US. On top of that I think the illegal immigrants that are already here, should be able to become citizens.

There are enough people here already. The economy isn't exactly great to begin with, mind you.
And that's like saying to a druggie, "Ah, well, you've already bought the drugs and gotten away with it. Eh, you may as well use it."

[germanyfgewinn]

younginstasy wrote: Oh, and fyi, I don't know why you think that only people from Latin America are the only people who immigrate illegally. There are plenty of people from China, Russia, Africa and all over the world, that come into this country illegally.

I never said that there were. I simply meant that we have the biggest problem with Mexicans, seeing as we share a border with them.

[germanyfgewinn]

younginstasy wrote: Holy crap, really? You would think that Americans would be dying to have a person like this as a citizen.

That's...not how it works.

[younginstasy]

germanyfgewinn wrote: There are enough people here already. The economy isn't exactly great to begin with, mind you. And that's like saying to a druggie, "Ah, well, you've already bought the drugs and gotten away with it. Eh, you may as well use it."

Drugs =/= illegal immigration.
Illegal immigration doesn't hurt anyone.
Drugs do.

Most of the people that come over here, are hard working people who have no criminal records in Mexico.


Illegal immigrants contribute to the economy. They pay taxes, they go out to eat more often then american citizens, and they shop more.

[younginstasy]

germanyfgewinn wrote: That's...not how it works.

Yes, these are the kinds of things they look for when they are reviewing if you are eligible to get a visa, a green card, or a citizenship. Having a good education, speaking comprehensible english, knowing US history all helps the process. (Oh, and the loads of money people have to pay probably doesn't hurt either.) These are the kinds of people who are more likely to get whatever they are applying for, which is why so many people who are from Mexico get rejected. When you apply for a visa/green card/ citizenship they look for what YOU can bring to the economy.

[younginstasy]

germanyfgewinn wrote: I never said that there were. I simply meant that we have the biggest problem with Mexicans, seeing as we share a border with them.

You're failure to mention any other immigrants other than of the "brown" colour, makes it seem like a race issue to me.

As well as if this was about "Illegal immigration," you would include ALL illegal immigrants. Not just the ones "south of the border."

[bear_it_all_boys]

younginstasy wrote: You're failure to mention any other immigrants other than of the "brown" colour, makes it seem like a race issue to me. As well as if this was about "Illegal immigration," you would include ALL illegal immigrants. Not just the ones "south of the border."

You're fabulous.